Vince Gilligan and Rhea Seehorn, the creators and stars of Apple TV's Pluribus, share their creative process and the deep bond they've forged through their collaboration. They discuss their first meeting, the importance of Rhea's portrayal of Kim Wexler, and the shorthand they've developed over years of working together. Gilligan reveals how he tailored the role of Carol Sturka, an irascible author, to Seehorn's strengths, and how they approach their characters' complexities. They also delve into their relationship with the crew, the importance of trust and risk-taking, and the process of taking a scene 'until it breaks'. The interview highlights their mutual respect, the challenges of curmudgeonly characters, and the joy of finding humor in unexpected places.